Topic: Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror Of Fate HD

[crisis]

What in heavens was so wrong with CV music -- so wrong that MS felt compelled to change it? What tragic inanity on their part pushed Konami towards such an idiotic move? What... How.........

I'm not 100% sure but I think I read somewhere a while ago that it was Konami themselves that suggested for MS to use that type of music for the game.

[DragonSlayr81]

And yet I'm pretty sure LoS is the only Castlevania game with a soundtrack that has won an award.

I don't think awards mean much. At least not to me. It's nice to get praised for something you do, but it's not a definitive sign of superiority in one's field, nor does it mean everything that one individual will do will be of great quality. And yeah, in the end, what I feel is MORE important is the way art(be it movies, art pieces, music or the such) is accepted by the individual, common man, not some acadamy of trained scholars. It's the whole, "I might not know art, but I know what I like." bit. And that does boil down to opinions and taste, but IMO, that is far more important than someone's technical skills or pretentious praise by the field's "elites". 

[Ahasverus]

Melodic? Mirror of Fate's music, melodic? Is that some kind of a joke?

It's not my fault you have a musical attention span of 3 seconds. There are many and beautiful melodies, sorry if it doesn't fit your ringtone "must be catchy in the 3 first miliseconds" standard.

[e105beta]

I don't think awards mean much. At least not to me. It's nice to get praised for something you do, but it's not a definitive sign of superiority in one's field, nor does it mean everything that one individual will do will be of great quality. And yeah, in the end, what I feel is MORE important is the way art(be it movies, art pieces, music or the such) is accepted by the individual, common man, not some acadamy of trained scholars. It's the whole, "I might not know art, but I know what I like." bit. And that does boil down to opinions and taste, but IMO, that is far more important than someone's technical skills or pretentious praise by the field's "elites".

To a point, yes I agree. Awards don't mean everything. But IMO, they do mean something, and until someone goes and polls every single person who has listened to the LoS soundtrack, it's a good way to establish a baseline. It's not like the people who give them have no idea what they're talking about. Besides, if we boil everything down to "What I like" then there's really no point in talking about it. After all, someone could like nails on a chalkboard, but that doesn't make it good.

I was responding to claim that the soundtrack is "abysmally poor". I mean, even the notorious IGN review complimented the music and the fact that it has been nominated for and won an award makes that claim incredibly meaningless.

[Intersection]

I know you're enjoying overreacting

Well, maybe I was enjoying myself then. Maybe I wasn't. But it's certainly an interesting experience, coming back to a day-old post and asking yourself -- "how could I possibly have posted this?" And I'll admit it's even more fun to see the short, inflamed responses that pop up after a particularly "outrageous" post. Although I don't think mine was so extreme... or was it?
Anyways, this thread seems rather adept at changing my frame of mind. But you've probably realized that it also has something to do with how little I'd enjoyed Mirror of Fate. Could I possibly have come off, entirely unbeknownst to me, as this forum's most ardent MoF "hater"? I shiver at that very thought. So I might just write again to detail my expert opinion of Mirror of Fate's soundtrack, so that my assertions will no longer seem unfounded -- after which I think I'll take a small break from posting in this thread, as to not arouse any more passions than this type of a conversation should normally harbor. 

It's not my fault you have a musical attention span of 3 seconds. There are many and beautiful melodies, sorry if it doesn't fit your ringtone "must be catchy in the 3 first miliseconds" standard.

And Ahasverus: I think I'll be bold enough to suggest, in all good humor, that my musical span of attention is ever so slightly more expansive than you've made it out to be. I have, after all, been a classical musician and occasional concertist for the past fifteen years. 

[Maedhros]

And yet I'm pretty sure LoS is the only Castlevania game with a soundtrack that has won an award.

That's a moot point.

[DoctaMario]

And Ahasverus: I think I'll be bold enough to suggest, in all good humor, that my musical span of attention is ever so slightly more expansive than you've made it out to be. I have, after all, been a classical musician and occasional concertist for the past fifteen years. 

This might be part of your problem. I'm a classically trained musician myself (got the degree and all!) and a lot of my friends would get stuck in this trap of comparing EVERYTHING to Beethoven or Bach. But that's an unfair comparison. I mean, I think MoF's OST is good, is it Beethoven good? No. But with that said, a Beethoven-style soundtrack might not really work.

A classic CV soundtrack would not have worked for LoS no matter how you slice it. LoS was a different game, diffferent production values, and as such, needed a different style of OST. I don't think the LoS OST was the best CV OST ever, but it certainly wasn't the worst and certainly not as bad as folks here have made it out to be.

[Maedhros]

i think it's one of the worst CV soundtracks.

[DoctaMario]

i think it's one of the worst CV soundtracks.

I bet if Yamane composed it, you and some of the other folks who claim it's the worst thing ever would be falling all over yourselves to say how great her "bold new direction" is. 

[Belmontoya]

I don't care who composed it or what people say. I think the LOS soundtrack was great. The MOF soundtrack on the other hand seemed lost, and almost uninspired. I understand what they were trying to do with it (create an atmosphere) but the execution was off. The MOF soundtrack was as off as the rest of the game was. At least that's how I feel about it. What I see and hear when I play that game is a great concept that didn't translate into a great game.

LOS2 on the other hand seems to sound, look, and play incredibly. 

[DoctaMario]

WHen I play MoF again I'll have to key in more on the music, but what I heard I really liked.

[crisis]

I would love orchestrated remixes of classic tunes in LoS2. I mean, yeah I know Araujo wants to add as much of his own pieces as possible, which is understandable, but why not take advantage of 25+ years of excellent music as well? I mean, can you imagine this suddenly coming on while Dracula fights hoards of demons in LoS2?

Castlevania - NES Orchestration (Symphony)

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - Dance of Gold [Exclusive Orchestration]

Dance of Pales orchestra (remade)

[Maedhros]

I bet if Kojima composed it, you and some of the other folks who claim it's the worst thing ever would be falling all over yourselves to say how great her "bold new direction" is. 

I don't even care about Kojima. If it's like anything from CV 1 to before LoS, I'll like it.

I like to listen the soundtracks outside of the games. LoS is the only one I can't do that. Big negative for me.

BTW, i agree with everyone who says that the LoS type of soundtrack is the only one who could fit the game at all. Even orchestrated, the old songs wouldn't fit the game mood at all. They're more like ambient music than the strong/melodic/catchy ones from the past.

[uzo]

I bet if Kojima composed it, you and some of the other folks who claim it's the worst thing ever would be falling all over yourselves to say how great her "bold new direction" is. 

That would seem to suggest that people who take that position wouldn't like soundtracks not composed by (I'm presuming you meant to say) Yamane Michiru, would not like previous soundtracks either.

He is clearly an advocate for Castlevania IV's soundtrack, which Yamane had no part in. I also follow suit.

Oscar Araujo made music that does not fit with videos games, as a Castlevania title or in general. It is just a bad choice of style. On top of that, it is a very bland soundtrack.

I'm sure Intersection and others who hold a similar position, do not hate the old soundtracks. In fact many on 'that side' are highly supportive of the original pre-Yamane sound tracks, as well as Yamane's own.

[DoctaMario]

That would seem to suggest that people who take that position wouldn't like soundtracks not composed by (I'm presuming you meant to say) Yamane Michiru, would not like previous soundtracks either.

He is clearly an advocate for Castlevania IV's soundtrack, which Yamane had no part in. I also follow suit.

Oscar Araujo made music that does not fit with videos games, as a Castlevania title or in general. It is just a bad choice of style. On top of that, it is a very bland soundtrack.

I'm sure Intersection and others who hold a similar position, do not hate the old soundtracks. In fact many on 'that side' are highly supportive of the original pre-Yamane sound tracks, as well as Yamane's own.

If the same OST that LoS used was used with a GoW game, would you still say it "doesn't fit with video games?"

Stop pretending to be thick and like you don't know what I'm talking about.

There are folks here who take any opportunity they can to hate anything LoS just because it's LoS. Swap out Yamane with *insert pre-LoS CV composer* and the point still remains.

If LoS' OST was used with a GoW game, would you still say that Araujo's style doesn't fit with video games? Is MoF the best CV OST out there? No, but it's not the worst either.