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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #285 on: March 27, 2020, 11:03:22 PM »
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #286 on: March 28, 2020, 02:17:26 AM »
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Jesus Archibald Reginald Hubert Christ are we ever gonna be even slightly mature adults on this board or what?

Honestly, whatever my actual misgivings about the series, the divisions it's exposed within the fandom is easily ten times worse than anything in the series proper. You guys are turning into Hot Topic Rick and Morty fans, and while it's not just you guys (it's all over the fandom), this is where I have an account and it's been my digital home away from home for years now. This sort of childish bickering is the number one reason I tend not to come by as often, and it's why when I do I tend not to bother trying to actually discuss anything because it's just gonna get swamped in meaningless drama.

Honestly, can both sides of the animated series audience just... temper their reactions to each other? We're already basically locked in our houses -- nobody needs this place to become a pressure cooker too.

Feel free to disagree over whether the series is good or bad. I really don't care whether you guys agree on that or not, but please don't act like you're all twelve.

I've watched the Star Wars and Doctor Who fandoms implode over childish mudslinging in recent years and goddammit if I'm gonna watch the Castlevania fandom do the same without speaking up.

For the love of god, please stop taking this thread down rabbit trails of your opinions of each other.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #287 on: March 28, 2020, 08:39:06 AM »
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I agree with what you're saying but I don't think there was any pro/anti-show-bickering going on the last page. I got the impression that Dracula9 liked the show and DraculaCronqvist outright said he wants the series to continue. So whatever caused the arguments on the previous page to become heated had different underlying causes.

As for me, I was just venting, which I think is something that should be allowed in a thread like this as long as it isn't done constantly. Some people (like Crisis) are clearly cool with me riffing on the show, despite them liking it. Unfortunately, others seem to take posts like that personally and seem to have the urge to react to it in order to validate their own opinion. While I agree with your appeal for more civil discussion, I don't think that should be achieved by preventing people from saying anything controversial. Also, I don't agree with the sentiment of: "If you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all". I get that it's annoying if someone is constantly criticizing something that you really like, but it's equally annoying being denied the opportunity to vent by criticizing something related to a subject you're passionate about.

What I think needs to be done to "untoxify" this thread is the following:

1) Leave room for people to express their opinion on the show without feeling the need to shout them down. If people either want to praise the show or want to vent, let them.

2) Just cut it out with the ad hominems in general, whether you're disagreeing about the quality of the show or something else *looks at both Dracula9 and AlexCalvo*

I think these two things are evoking that sense of childishness in this thread to which Lumi Kløvstad was alluding to. So from now, I'm going to make sure the above two things will no longer occur in this thread. Aside from that, you're completely free to speak your mind.

Now go discuss whetever Grant will appear in season 4 or if they're totally saving him for season 5 +.   
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #288 on: March 28, 2020, 09:59:31 AM »
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Tbh the reason I snapped somewhat, which I do apologise for, I admit is because I’ve been so fed up of the general bickering attitudes of people on here lately.  It’s worn my patience down.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #289 on: March 28, 2020, 10:35:07 AM »
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I agree with what you're saying but I don't think there was any pro/anti-show-bickering going on the last page. I got the impression that Dracula9 liked the show and DraculaCronqvist outright said he wants the series to continue. So whatever caused the arguments on the previous page to become heated had different underlying causes.

As for me, I was just venting, which I think is something that should be allowed in a thread like this as long as it isn't done constantly. Some people (like Crisis) are clearly cool with me riffing on the show, despite them liking it. Unfortunately, others seem to take posts like that personally and seem to have the urge to react to it in order to validate their own opinion. While I agree with your appeal for more civil discussion, I don't think that should be achieved by preventing people from saying anything controversial. Also, I don't agree with the sentiment of: "If you don't have anything positive to say, don't say anything at all". I get that it's annoying if someone is constantly criticizing something that you really like, but it's equally annoying being denied the opportunity to vent by criticizing something related to a subject you're passionate about.

What I think needs to be done to "untoxify" this thread is the following:

1) Leave room for people to express their opinion on the show without feeling the need to shout them down. If people either want to praise the show or want to vent, let them.

2) Just cut it out with the ad hominems in general, whether you're disagreeing about the quality of the show or something else *looks at both Dracula9 and AlexCalvo*

I think these two things are evoking that sense of childishness in this thread to which Lumi Kløvstad was alluding to. So from now, I'm going to make sure the above two things will no longer occur in this thread. Aside from that, you're completely free to speak your mind.

Now go discuss whetever Grant will appear in season 4 or if they're totally saving him for season 5 +.   

How the hell am I ad hominem attacking anyone?  All of my discussion on this show has been based on the show itself and the games.  My little Barb against the dude was not in anyway related to his stance on the show, just his toxic tendance to try and take over/derail topics.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #290 on: March 28, 2020, 11:00:07 AM »
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How the hell am I ad hominem attacking anyone?  All of my discussion on this show has been based on the show itself and the games.  My little Barb against the dude was not in anyway related to his stance on the show, just his toxic tendance to try and take over/derail topics.

First, I never said you attacked Dracula9 for his stance on the show. Secondly, I get you might be frustrated but that comment you made on the previous page only causes further provocation, it doesn't solve anything (I'm sure you didn't except Dracula9 to just ignore your message). I'll make sure these derailments won't happen from now but if you get annoyed with anyone, just prevent yourself from writing something provocative and message one of the mods and I promise we'll take care of it.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #291 on: March 28, 2020, 11:34:05 AM »
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What probably would help is if people here are going to vent then they should announce it before starting. That would help to clarify things and leave a lot less room for misinterpretation.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #292 on: March 28, 2020, 12:28:33 PM »
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What probably would help is if people here are going to vent then they should announce it before starting. That would help to clarify things and leave a lot less room for misinterpretation.

A dedicated thread for it might also do the trick.
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« Reply #293 on: March 28, 2020, 05:29:40 PM »
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I'm a bit late to the revived discussion about the Zombie bishop issue- I take issue with it because I dont really feel an undead creature which is kind of a darkness thing, and barely seemed sentient to boot- could consecrate holy water. I remember while watching it, thinking that because he was a zombie and therefore an unholy creature, what he was doing was going to have the opposite effect. So he still has muscle memory they can order him to consecrate the water, but as an undead creature, it would create i dunno, unholy water. So i was a bit disappointed when it ended up just being holy water. But on top of that he DOES combust once he starts doing that, which further drives that home for me.

That said, there's also a pretty good irony to it, in that the Bishop, a corrupt *very much* "far-from-holy" man, was arguably more effective against creatures of the night as an undead zombie than when he was an actual living human.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #294 on: March 28, 2020, 11:59:50 PM »
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Oh there is nothing i love more than expressing my opinion. Don't worry i will do just that

I'm a bit late to the revived discussion about the Zombie bishop issue- I take issue with it because I dont really feel an undead creature which is kind of a darkness thing, and barely seemed sentient to boot- could consecrate holy water. I remember while watching it, thinking that because he was a zombie and therefore an unholy creature, what he was doing was going to have the opposite effect. So he still has muscle memory they can order him to consecrate the water, but as an undead creature, it would create i dunno, unholy water. So i was a bit disappointed when it ended up just being holy water. But on top of that he DOES combust once he starts doing that, which further drives that home for me.

That said, there's also a pretty good irony to it, in that the Bishop, a corrupt *very much* "far-from-holy" man, was arguably more effective against creatures of the night as an undead zombie than when he was an actual living human.

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also you guys need to just chill.

Stop gettin' mad at video games. (or cartoons, in this case)

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #295 on: March 31, 2020, 06:49:27 AM »
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I mean, there are holy-elemental demonic enemies in Castlevania.
And I always thought zombies were more of a non-elemental entity.  They are shambling corpses but they aren't particularly driven by anything but hunger.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #297 on: April 17, 2020, 09:54:36 PM »
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That is a surprisingly nuanced and honest interview. I shit on Ellis a lot, but I actually liked his responses here for the most part. He's not as dismissive towards the fandom as he's been, owns up to a couple insecurities from production, and honestly, I think not exposing himself to other video game adaptations was a smart move, whether he was planning things that way or not. It's easy for your subconscious to railroad you into recreating things you've seen before, but if you haven't seen anything... *shrug*

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The fact that 1) he doesn't consider it an anime is a sentiment I agree with, 2) he loves Satoshi Kon flicks and Studi Ghibli is AWESOME and I give much respect to anyone who also loves my main man Satoshi, and 3) Dude watches FLCL. I'm gonna need to process that for a while.
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« Reply #298 on: April 19, 2020, 11:35:00 AM »
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3) Dude watches FLCL. I'm gonna need to process that for a while.

Of course the dude watches FLCL.  He's a total perv.
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« Reply #299 on: April 20, 2020, 11:24:56 PM »
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Of course the dude watches FLCL.  He's a total perv.

Like a single person on the internet over 16 isn't.
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