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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #300 on: April 23, 2020, 09:46:31 PM »
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Apparently season 3 was an order of magnitude more popular on Netflix than season 2.  Ellis’s thoughts on this:


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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #301 on: April 24, 2020, 08:51:33 PM »
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I hope this motivates Konami to do something, almost ANYTHING with the game side of Castlevania, but who am I kidding? Obviously they won't. We'd be lucky just to get a ham-fisted mobile port of Castlevania 3 as a "celebration" of the show's success.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #302 on: April 25, 2020, 09:46:41 AM »
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Every 100 years, Dracula rises from his grave and a new Castlevania game is released.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #303 on: April 25, 2020, 05:14:21 PM »
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Anyone else find it almost kind of aggressive how strong he refuses to acknowledge the source material at all?  He really wants this to be his baby, and his baby only.  It's almost like he resents that he can't fully claim it...
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #304 on: April 26, 2020, 09:15:43 AM »
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I find it disconcerting that the season that had the least to do with the source material was the most successful. That only shows that those who love the show the most probably don't know or care about the games at all and as such, we can't expect the makers of the show to even try to adhere to it, in favour of higher ratings. Appealing to the lowest common denominator gets ratings.
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« Reply #305 on: April 26, 2020, 10:54:11 AM »
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Unfortunately that’s how media is in general these days. Look at the Marvel movies by comparison, they have very little in common with their comic book counterparts, only by the most superficial aspects here n there. But the audience don’t read the comics so they don’t care.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #306 on: April 26, 2020, 02:04:06 PM »
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I just started the third season season, seen the 3 first episodes and all i can say, is that it's looking great. They have really done a great job. I'm really happy with the series, i wish that Konami would show the same love and respect, like the guys on Netflix do.
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« Reply #307 on: April 26, 2020, 05:22:46 PM »
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Unfortunately that’s how media is in general these days. Look at the Marvel movies by comparison, they have very little in common with their comic book counterparts, only by the most superficial aspects here n there. But the audience don’t read the comics so they don’t care.

This is a terrible analogy.  The Marvel movies stay incredibly true to the spirit of the comics, and are made by the same company.  Things are updated of course, but almost every storyline from the movies is an adaptation of a storyline from the comics, with its own cinematic spin.  This is not at all the same thing happening here.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #308 on: April 26, 2020, 07:20:39 PM »
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I’m not gonna get into specifics since this isn’t the place for that, but i guess the point i was trying to make was, audience don’t have to be into Ant-man comics or Dr. Strange to enjoy those films and i think some of those filmmakers know that to some degree, i guess the same can be said for the CV animation & the games

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #309 on: April 27, 2020, 03:47:46 PM »
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Marvel movies... are made by the same company.

I'm gonna go off on a bit of a tangent here, so mods feel free to mod if you feel that's best.

Marvel Studios is a wholly separate company from Marvel Comics. They share leadership now (finally), but until 2018 they had different executive boards, different in-house talent pools, and each often didn't know what the other was doing until it was done.

That Marvel movies work so well is rather a sign of content creation being led by uber-fans like Kevin Feige. Feige in particular is a once-in-a-lifetime superfan who has been involved in just about every Marvel-related multimedia project since the early 1990's, working his way from basically a Kitchen Boy to head of Marvel Studios, to now basically director of All Marvel Creative Content over at the comics company while retaining his top spot at Marvel Studios. Feige was able to gradually turn fandom into increasingly surefire business decisions, which flat out wasn't possible when he first got into the business as a lowly set-worker.

Castlevania doesn't have that (or even anything close; Adi Shankar might be as close as we have today), though it came reasonably close once upon a time.

For a good long while, Konami had their own Feige analog (or as close as could reasonably be mustered) in Koji Igarashi, but Iga was unfortunately controversial with a sizable plurality of fans throughout his run and Konami never gave him the leadership positions and resources he needed to really do what he really wanted to do; he got a taste of that when he took over Symphony's development but that "spare no expense" production value would elude him more and more for the rest of his run.

Castlevania NEEDS a Kevin Feige. It probably won't ever get one.

Not unless one of us manages to somehow con Konami into giving us creative control, anyway. Fingers crossed, amirite?

Anyway, no real point. Here's a wall meat for y'all's trouble.


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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #310 on: April 27, 2020, 05:15:27 PM »
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I'm gonna go off on a bit of a tangent here, so mods feel free to mod if you feel that's best.

Marvel Studios is a wholly separate company from Marvel Comics. They share leadership now (finally), but until 2018 they had different executive boards, different in-house talent pools, and each often didn't know what the other was doing until it was done.

That Marvel movies work so well is rather a sign of content creation being led by uber-fans like Kevin Feige. Feige in particular is a once-in-a-lifetime superfan who has been involved in just about every Marvel-related multimedia project since the early 1990's, working his way from basically a Kitchen Boy to head of Marvel Studios, to now basically director of All Marvel Creative Content over at the comics company while retaining his top spot at Marvel Studios. Feige was able to gradually turn fandom into increasingly surefire business decisions, which flat out wasn't possible when he first got into the business as a lowly set-worker.

Castlevania doesn't have that (or even anything close; Avi Arad might be as close as we have today), though it came reasonably close once upon a time.

For a good long while, Konami had their own Feige analog (or as close as could reasonably be mustered) in Koji Igarashi, but Iga was unfortunately controversial with a sizable plurality of fans throughout his run and Konami never gave him the leadership positions and resources he needed to really do what he really wanted to do; he got a taste of that when he took over Symphony's development but that "spare no expense" production value would elude him more and more for the rest of his run.

Castlevania NEEDS a Kevin Feige. It probably won't ever get one.

Not unless one of us manages to somehow con Konami into giving us creative control, anyway. Fingers crossed, amirite?

Anyway, no real point. Here's a wall meat for y'all's trouble.



All I have to add to that is that, while I like Classicvania a lot, it is IGA who gave Castlevania that push, both in story and gameplay, that elevated it above and beyond all other franchises, in my opinion. That his position of leadership was controversial with some fans still bothers me to this day.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #311 on: April 28, 2020, 09:06:14 AM »
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What was controversial about IGA? I'n not sure I understand the same reasons others do  :-\
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« Reply #312 on: April 28, 2020, 01:01:56 PM »
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What was controversial about IGA? I'n not sure I understand the same reasons others do  :-\

>Dracula was [some dude] and not Vlad Tepes? IGA you hack.
>Too many games without Belmont protagonists? C'mon IGA, what the fuck...
>WAAAAAH IGA MADE X GAME NOT CANON BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WORK ON IT!
>Because of IGA all men now look like women. Damn you IGA.
>Dracula is now a Japanese guy? Gimme a break!
>IGA changed it from Akumajou Dorakyura to Kyassurubania? Had to be IGA.
>IGA hates Sonia, therefore he hates women.
>IGA keeps adding all this bullshit to the story. Castlevania needs no story.
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The list is long. Most of it is nonsense, very little is reasonable. And that's on our side, can't imagine how controversial he was inside Konami.
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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #313 on: April 28, 2020, 02:14:56 PM »
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I think what also might have something to do with it is that IGA essentially seized control of the franchise and shaped it into his own image, whereas before, the series was a rotating door of different teams with their own interpretation of the Castlevania universe. Even if SotN had bombed and someone else had stepped up and took charge of the series, this person would likely have received the same amount of complaints. The Castlevania fanbase is just hopelessly divided like that.

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Re: Castlevania Season 3
« Reply #314 on: April 28, 2020, 03:19:25 PM »
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Time... and Konami decisions...and LoS2 have given us context, i think

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