Topic: The first sign rises with the full moon.

[affinity]

well its messed up.  its not like americans and europeans are all proud of their people and the evil and wretched side of their history/cultures, but most dont run away from scenarios that closely resemble their land and people.   they focus on the fun escapism aspects of the game. 

yea with Japan is can be more sensitive, but the more they run away from resemblances, the more they undermine the beauty and positive side of their people and land at its realistic essence. otherwise, what other country is going to represent Japan's people and land as realistically and maturely as it is?  what other country of developers is going to glorify the real representation of Japanese and its wonderful people and country?     when all regions are making games that glorify america/europe/caucasians mostly, that really oversaturates the market.  then they cultivate problems of acceptance of asians as lead characters in games and asian civilizations in general (which are still too rare in games, meanwhile some Japan companies wasted millions for generations making games that pander to westerners like american influenced Metal Gear Solid and american dominant Resident Evil.  where are the AAA games that glorify realistic Japanese characters in Japan? well yea Sure there is Shin Megami Tensei, but thats always been so presented as anime. that's why I respect and support even sim games like Disaster Report 4, at least it has more Japan authentic representation and feature more realistic male and female japanese people to play as in a more immersive Japanese world)

but aside from that, people shouldnt think I want Bloodstained to be Japanese themed, of course not, even if it wasnt an IGAvania, I respect its art direction and the part of the world and races it encompasses.  :)anyways this side subject was partially related to the whole marketing side of things, which brought up Sony, and then things that have been neglected and related subjects came up after that.

though still back to Bloodstained ROTN, I can see where all the rants and nitpicking is going,

and people have to be aware there are A LOT of twisted people that want Bloodstained ROTN to flop.

overcriticizing and bashing it is what the haters would want.  ROTN doesnt seem to be getting the mainstream media backing, so the fanbase would undermine its reception being so harsh towards it.

theres really low probably it would turn out bad, and even IGA's weakest IGAvanias, LOI and COD, are overall solid games.

ROTN is definitely gonna surpass SOTN, Circle of the Moon, Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow, Portrait of Ruin, Order of Ecclesia, etc. etc.

anyone that likes COTM could like ROTN even more.  IGAvanias have more depth and substance than classic Castlevania type games.

the IGAvania fanbase shouldn't overcriticize ROTN like the toxic Dynasty Warriors fanbase did towards DW9 (which really is better than the conservatives care to see. even for the first time ever, Koei cared to add Chinese voiceovers, alongside English, Japanese, etc. 

and those ingrates whine about clone weapons, whine about open world, ignore the superior story presentation, the superior more flexible combat system that is less dial a combo and more pick your move, and dont care to look at all the great things. and now they are already bashing Warriors Orochi 4 for being 'more of the same old school musou").

yea ROTN could get polish but there are fans fine with how it looks and would play full game with how it looks now.

[affinity]

they thank fans for the feedback

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bloodstained/comments/9374hn/thanks_for_the_demo_feedback/

[X]

Unlike the big corporations... 

[Bloo]

ROTN is definitely gonna surpass SOTN, Circle of the Moon, Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow, Portrait of Ruin, Order of Ecclesia, etc. etc.


yea ROTN could get polish but there are fans fine with how it looks and would play full game with how it looks now.

I'm not even gonna delve into your political discussion, but these are both very bold statements.
How is it gonna surpass SotN, COTM, or OoE if it doesn't have the graphical polish that those games have?
Why do people wanna play a game that they know was not made to the best of the artists ability?

You talk about how people hate on it and nitpick it but you filled an entire damn page about an argument for a feature that can be turned off.

If you expect people to take your arguments seriously, then you need to take them seriously. Have some consistency at least.

[Lumi Kløvstad]

COD, are overall solid games.

I'm just gonna nitpick this one point.

Speaking as someone who loves the game dearly: no it goddamn isn't. It's a trashy B-movie of a video game that should be enjoyed as such. An analogy: just because I find Galaxy of Terror a fun movie to eat popcorn with friends while viewing doesn't mean it equates to something like Saving Private Ryan. One is "so bad it's good", and the other is objectively great and one of the finest examples of its artistic medium ever made.

CoD is more like Galaxy of Terror than Saving Private Ryan. It's schlock, but if you're in the right state of mind, it can be enjoyable schlock. It's not, however, a solid game in the slightest, and Iga would probably even tell you that if you asked him. And, by the way, you totally can. He's on Facebook.

Always remember that "fun" doesn't always mean "good".

[Bloo]

SOTN Thrived on breaking convention and I hope Bloodstained does the same.

[affinity]

I'm not even gonna delve into your political discussion, but these are both very bold statements.
How is it gonna surpass SotN, COTM, or OoE if it doesn't have the graphical polish that those games have?
Why do people wanna play a game that they know was not made to the best of the artists ability?

You talk about how people hate on it and nitpick it but you filled an entire damn page about an argument for a feature that can be turned off.

If you expect people to take your arguments seriously, then you need to take them seriously. Have some consistency at least.

and I dunno how you expect Bloodstained ROTN to break conventions when people these days are so hypercritical and nitpicky, that they are such hypocrites these days.  they praise SOTN for breaking convention, but they can criticize ROTN for breaking conventions.

take for example Zelda BOTW, it introduced open world at a grander graphical scale for the series, and the fans are all like automatic 10/10 scoring it, overhyping it, over praising it, but then Dynasty Warriors 9 comes around then they think the open world makes it bad. like wtf.  AND THEN sometime after BOTW comes out, even some of the zealots of the series starts to say 'hey BOTW really wasn't all that great'.    but they are all like 'if its a game doing open world and not backed by nintendo, its a bad game and shouldnt have things like open world.  open world is a nintendo staple'.    crazies are saying things like that.

like huh?  people can be so bipolar, they dont know what they want nor know what is good or bad.  most of them just follow what the majority pick.

also ROTN has graphical polish and better detail than all the previous IGAvanias.  those games look outdated compared to ROTN.
dont tell me you think Alucard's sprite looks better than Miriam's model,  or think the entrance hall in SOTN looks better than ROTN's castle entrance.
or think Order of Ecclesia's Rusalka looks as great as ROTN Bloodless

and to the best of the artists ability?  SOTN graphics are overrated even for its time. they are overpixelated and lack the detail and depth ROTN has.
SOTN looks like a videogame, while ROTN looks at least somewhat more alive.

also ROTN has waaay more options and possibilities than SOTN did.  Alucard didnt even have any true whip category weapons, and Miriam's total arsenal and powers are gonna be amazing.

now I know the devs have a lot on their plate making the largest IGAvania castle and stuff, but I would be baffled if they don't produce even nearly as much variety of bosses like SOTN does.  that's where Im a bit skeptical about ROTN.  Im not sure if it will have as much bosses like SOTN's 1st castle has, though it should surpass that number. there is quality in quantity overall.  It would be amazing if ROTN's total boss count is greater than SOTN's two castles combined. though yea anyways ROTN is sure to have interesting bosses, plus the Boss Revenge mode sounds really revolutionary and creative in the series, depending on the playable boss selection and who they are.

[EstebanT]

@affinity

Are you a troll?
Every time I see a gigantic text wall with every single thing being completely wrong and delusional it never fails to be you who posted it.

[Shiroi Koumori]

@affinity

Are you a troll?
Every time I see a gigantic text wall with every single thing being completely wrong and delusional it never fails to be you who posted it.

She has the troll miester award.
Not all awards are good ones.

[Super Waffle]

hey guys. How do you beat the last boss in Curse of the Moon?

Also yeah Bowtow isn't very good.

[Nagumo]

hey guys. How do you beat the last boss in Curse of the Moon?

Don't die.

[Long John Silver]

like huh?  people can be so bipolar, they dont know what they want nor know what is good or bad.  most of them just follow what the majority pick.

people are not a monolith. different people, different opinions. you know, that thing called diversity of opinion. group a, nintendo cult of fanboys/fanatics follows a more collectivized thought form and says the game is automatic 10/10 while underplaying other sides because they worship nintendo as god, which means not nintendo is either the devil or humanity. you see that kind of mentality in every us vs them group. console war factions, football teams, religions, politics or ideological left vs right. divide and conquer tactics rely on making your side look awesome, while dehumanizing the opposition, which in your example translates to "botw is awesome. dynasty warriors is bad." there's also group b, non fanboys who don't consider it great, each having individual opinion.

and then there's the hype factor. when it comes out, it's new. it's exciting. it's cool. it's the best thing since sliced bread. but enough time passes and everything decays. order breaks down. entropy works even on ideological and spiritual levels. given enough time everything falls apart and returns back to chaos, whether it's rock, flesh, concepts, ideology, love, even gods. hype too. as time passes, hype dies down, people are no longer excited and blinded by something, they see more clearly, rationally and notice the flaws they were willfully blind to beforehand.

[Super Waffle]

Don't die.

Just shoot at the Cyberdemon, right?

[affinity]

@affinity

Are you a troll?
Every time I see a gigantic text wall with every single thing being completely wrong and delusional it never fails to be you who posted it.

your post is clealy a troll post in the form of a question.

describing something as "gigantic text wall" confirms you have reading problems and wouldn't finish grade school with the amount of reading material required.
it also confirms your mind suffers from short attention span and has trouble deciphering more complex and deeper minds.

"every single thing being completely wrong" confirms you are trolling to extremes.  nothing I say would convince you since you  are 100% set on ridiculing me like a sexist boy that believes anything a woman says is wrong.

calling me "delusional" when you are being delusional yourself.

see, this is why topics get derailed,  trolls like EstebanT just come here to flame bait someone in attempts to get them banned from the forum.
Like seriously, if you dont like me, at least ignore my posts instead of using passive aggressive tactics to get me triggered.

and of course any moderators/administrator here will side with you since they love negativity and injustice, especially in this toxic generation where excessive criticisms and nitpicking are praised, while the positive, more intelligent and open minded fans are treated like outcasts.

if ROTN flops or is underrated, it would be because of scumbags like the debbie downers and negative pests picking it apart, like those delusional art critics that overcriticize things while ignoring all the good.

of course ROTN has yet to be fully examined, but there's really little % it could turn out bad unless there's internal sabotage.
if anyone likes the previous IGAvania games, they could like ROTN as much or more.  none of the IGAvanias are perfect, so people shouldnt set the bar too high and evaluate ROTN so harshly overall like some are already doing with the demo.

just enjoy the damn game, or move on.

if you dont like the game, dont rain on the parade, cause that disrespects those that like the game.  if a game is so bad you have to talk bad about it and nitpick, especially on a regular basis, then you are being toxic.

[Super Waffle]

You guys need to chill out. You should all go read a fanfic or listen to the Rambo III version of He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother or something.