Topic: Castlevania - The Plot Hole Thread

[Reinhart77]

lol

[MeSako]

On another note, anybody ever wonder where Sypha and Grant were during Curse of Darkness? Affair? (j/king)

Sypha was home takin care of the House and Grant.. well.. he just hangs around.. ..  :
Well.. seriously though.. didn't Grant stay in the village below Castlevania to rebuild it?

[Reinhart77]

well, if Michelle Danasty from the "Akumajo Dracula: Kabuchi no Tsuisoukyoku" novel is his descendant, we can assume he got over Sypha and got himself a wife and kids.

[Nagumo]

About that seal thing,

I dunno who placed the seal and why it was in the infinite corridor but I know who placed the Dullahan there. It was Death who wanted Hector to break the seal. During the game it was explained that a Devil Forgemaster produces some kind of special energy during battle which is apperently strong enough to break it. He wanted Hector to fight the Dullahan, so that the seal would be undone and thus would result in the ressurection of Dracula's Castle which in turn would allow him to revive.

At least, that's what I think. Otherwise I have no clue.

           

[darkwzrd4]

About that seal thing,

I dunno who placed the seal and why it was in the infinite corridor but I know who placed the Dullahan there. It was Death who wanted Hector to break the seal. During the game it was explained that a Devil Forgemaster produces some kind of special energy during battle which is apperently strong enough to break it. He wanted Hector to fight the Dullahan, so that the seal would be undone and thus would result in the ressurection of Dracula's Castle which in turn would allow him to revive.

At least, that's what I think. Otherwise I have no clue.

           

I guess could have been Issac.  After all, he managed to get a sample of Trevor's blood, which acts as the key to that area and he knew how to break the seal.  The proof of his knowledge is based on what he says before he stabs Trevor:  "Do not equate the power of a devil forgemaster with that of an ordinary sorcerer.  The magical power produced in battle is more than enough to break a seal like that."

If the manga was continued, it could have explained it better.

[Nagumo]

I thought he refered to Hector when he said that because he was the one fighting at that moment. Anyway,

any reason why "retellings" of Simon's adventure exist (Haunted, Castlevania Chronicles)? Like a story explanation?   

   

[X]

It might be the fact that Simon is a popular generic character for Castlevania which is why he starred in more games then any other Belmont. All those games and all those console ports...

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[Reinhart77]

so you don't have to figure out where to squeeze the game into the timeline.

[Nagumo]

I was more refering to an "in-universe" explanation...

But I guess there isn't one.   

[Reinhart77]

all these games are supposed to be telling the same story.  but it would be nice if we could figure if it happened in "any" of the games, then it happened canonically.  the only story difference of any importance (other than perhaps the different details about how and why Dracula returned) is Simon's bride in Haunted Castle.  I was hoping judgment would make some kind of reference to her, but alas, no.  I suppose Dracula's plan to end the Belmont line with the curse would be kind of pointless if he was married and had the opportunity to have kids for the seven or so years it took for the curse to wear him down.  Unless the curse also made him sterile?

[Danial]

Simon "the infertile" Belmont, lol.  I love Simon, but if he was sterile, it's probably more likely to be the fault of steroids than it is Dracula.

Here's a reason why there are so many versions of the first Castlevania.  Each version is Simon telling the story again.

Simon:  Did I ever tell you kids about the time I killed Dracula?
Juste:  Yes Grandpa, you've told us like a hundred times.
Simon:  It all started when Dracula swooped out of the sky and took your Grandma as we were leaving the church.
Juste:  Why did  you get married in the middle of the night?
Simon:  So I took out my trusty whip and yelled "Dracula, I'm a comin'!"
Juste:  Why did you bring a whip to your wedding?
Simon:  ... and at the end of the first corridor, I turn the corner, and there's this huge fucking bat.  So I just pulled out my trusty battle axe and started throwing it at him.
Juste:  Why would you throw it at him?  Wouldn't you just have to go pick it up after it fell back down?  This story never makes any sense.
Simon:  Don't back talk your elders young man!  And get your hair cut.
Juste:  Grandpa, this is the style. 
Simon:  Back in my day we wore manly mullets.  For cryin' out loud son, you look like a girl!  And what's with that giant red coat?  Where's your ultra tight body armor that leaves nothing to the imagination?  If you want people to think you're a real man, you've gotta show them your man parts, son.
Juste:  sigh
Simon:  Did I ever tell you about my friend Arthur.  Now there's a real man.  See, he and his girlfriend were having a picnic in the graveyard in the middle of the night, when all of a sudden, Satan shows up and steals her away.
Juste:  What?
Simon:  So he fights his way all the way to Satan, while only wearing his underpants.
Juste:  Why would anyone do that?
Simon:  But that Satan is a tricky one, and he transports Arthur all the way back to the graveyard.  So Arthur has to fight his way all the way back to Satan again.
Juste:  Why didn't Satan just teleport him into the ocean or space or something?
Simon:  You young'ns got it too easy.  You couldn't even kill Dracula's ghost, lookin' like you do.

[darkwzrd4]

Simon "the infertile" Belmont, lol.  I love Simon, but if he was sterile, it's probably more likely to be the fault of steroids than it is Dracula.

Here's a reason why there are so many versions of the first Castlevania.  Each version is Simon telling the story again.

Simon:  Did I ever tell you kids about the time I killed Dracula?
Juste:  Yes Grandpa, you've told us like a hundred times.
Simon:  It all started when Dracula swooped out of the sky and took your Grandma as we were leaving the church.
Juste:  Why did  you get married in the middle of the night?
Simon:  So I took out my trusty whip and yelled "Dracula, I'm a comin'!"
Juste:  Why did you bring a whip to your wedding?
Simon:  ... and at the end of the first corridor, I turn the corner, and there's this huge fucking bat.  So I just pulled out my trusty battle axe and started throwing it at him.
Juste:  Why would you throw it at him?  Wouldn't you just have to go pick it up after it fell back down?  This story never makes any sense.
Simon:  Don't back talk your elders young man!  And get your hair cut.
Juste:  Grandpa, this is the style. 
Simon:  Back in my day we wore manly mullets.  For cryin' out loud son, you look like a girl!  And what's with that giant red coat?  Where's your ultra tight body armor that leaves nothing to the imagination?  If you want people to think you're a real man, you've gotta show them your man parts, son.
Juste:  sigh
Simon:  Did I ever tell you about my friend Arthur.  Now there's a real man.  See, he and his girlfriend were having a picnic in the graveyard in the middle of the night, when all of a sudden, Satan shows up and steals her away.
Juste:  What?
Simon:  So he fights his way all the way to Satan, while only wearing his underpants.
Juste:  Why would anyone do that?
Simon:  But that Satan is a tricky one, and he transports Arthur all the way back to the graveyard.  So Arthur has to fight his way all the way back to Satan again.
Juste:  Why didn't Satan just teleport him into the ocean or space or something?
Simon:  You young'ns got it too easy.  You couldn't even kill Dracula's ghost, lookin' like you do.

LAMO

[Inccubus]

That was epic! ^_^

[Archangel]

By the way, what´s the deal with the Abondoned Castle from CoD? At first, I believed it to be the ruins of Castlevania (which, of course, turned out to be false).

Then, I believed it to be the Castle of Walter after seeing some similarities, although just loosely (another hint seemed to be the Secret Maoi Item.... which you can get if you had an LoI Save).

But then I read something about the whole thing beeing just a Homage to CV1´s Castle....

To be honest, I´m confused.

[X]

From what I can extrapolate the abandoned castle is Castlevania from cv3. There are clues that indicate it as such all throughout the castle itself. There are some backgrounds seen from the original CV1 which I thought was an interesting touch but it leads it to be even more likely that it is in fact Castlevania. Also Castlevania is the "ONLY" castle in exsistance that has the final tower-top design which is where you fought the giant mechanized knight in CoD.

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