Topic: Castlevania - The Plot Hole Thread

[Inccubus]

Actually, anyone who feels like making an origin for Dracula has the right to since the copyright for Bram Stoker's novel ran out in 1962.
And whether you accept it or not, LoI's origin IS the official one for the time being.

[shelverton.]

I sometimes try to figure out the Galamoth thing. If he's from 10000 years into the future, why is he going aaaaall the way back in time to try and destroy Dracula? Does that mean that Dracula is still alive and kicking in another 10000 years, making Galamoths life miserable? Cause otherwise I don't see the point. Galamoth should just rule his own futuristic netherworld and forget about what happened 10000 years ago, jeez!  Though it all depends on when Judgment takes place, so "10000 years into the future" obviously means absolutely nothing. I also wonder what Galamoth is standing around the castle in SotN for, if not for trying to kill Dracula. He must've traveled through time, but why isn't he HELPING Alucard instead of trying to kill him off? Galamoth probably knows something that we don't, being from the future and everything... not that he actually appears to have a brain, but whatever... Blah. I don't get it. I admit I haven't paid that much attention to the storyline so maybe Galamoth is very obvious to everyone else...

[X]

Never played Judgment and I don't really want to either cause the way some of the familiar characters (Grant) have been bastardized. To me Galamoth comes off as what appears to be an ancient Egyptian god as he definitely looks the part. He was one of the most toughest bosses in SotN but I don't see him as becoming anything more then what he already is. Sure he was the head villain in Kid Dracula but he's still a very simple villain unlike Dracula, or Death for that matter. In terms of coming from the distant future for what-ever purpose is a complete mystery to me. I can agree with Inccubus on this. I don't see the point of a distant future villain coming back in time for some obscure reason. If anything I can see Galamoth coming from the distant past (not future) for some nefarious scheme.

-X

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

He may have warped from the future to SotN, but got stuck in a very cramped room with no way out.  Seriously, how would get out of that room!?!?

It seems that Dracula is alive (so to speak) in the nether regions of hell (Underworld) even in the far future.  Perhaps Galamoth is a demon who wants to rule the netherworld but Dracula holds power in there... great power that surpasses Galamoth (the power of dominance seems to be enough to overtake Galamoth's soul, since Soma gets to use it).

So Galamoth, being a time-altering demon, decides to write Dracula out of existence by wiping him from history.  He could go back to save Lisa, thus preventing Dracula from becoming Lord of Darkness... or he could go and kill him whilst he's still a human in the early days... but instead, he does a very poor plan:  He sends one of his minions (the Time Reaper) to do this for him (I guess he sends him, so that he can immediately see the change, rather than doing the dirty work himself... HA HA TYPICAL SUPERVILLAIN).

Of course, the Conservation of Time Coalition, led by Aeon and his TimeTravelers (St.Germaine recruited later) go and 'patch up' Galamoth's time rift in Judgment (Aeon) and some other event that affects time (in CoD).

[crisis]

Will the 1999 event cause a rift in time as well, since St. Germain alludes to going there next?

[Inccubus]

I don't remember the Time Reaper (which is a laughable excuse for a character) saying anything about Galamoth being from the future, only that he was sent by him.

As for 1999, petty much anything goes with that plot point since it hasn't been written AFAIK.

[Nagumo]

It would make sense for the dude to be from the future as well. That makes it easier to send someone else from the future and stuff...   

[Inccubus]

The thing is, though, that when he is from is largely irrelevant. Unless his time of origin somehow impacts his time control ability it doesn't make a difference if he can go anywhen he pleases.

[The Last Belmont]

For instance, why was Saint Germain even present in Curse of Darkness? One might say that he was obviously there to prevent Hector from pursuing Isaac and ultimately becoming Dracula's new host body and thus change the course of things. But didn't this Germain dude also state that he wasn't allowed to chance the future? He wasn't allowed to act upon reality nor speaking the truth (still trying to figure out how that works since that would technically mean that he has to lie every word), so if he can't do that why did he even bother trying to stop Hector?                                                            

His presence already changed the future. This may have been all that was needed to alter Time's Flow and keep Hector from becoming Dracula.

True and he did say that the game itself comes first in his mind followed by the story afterwards. How the HELL does that work!? At least in my game concepts the story comes first THEN everything else follows suit. It's much more simple that way. Like IGA I am also a perfectionist but I think the guy must have some masochistic tendencies about doing things the hard way rather then the right way. I'm sure it's possible to do a game first then the story but if you don't know how, then don't bother!

I could go on another rant about his really BIG plothole store: Lament of Innocence (In terms of Dracula's origins rather then the proper Brahm Stoker's tale. But I already did that when I joined up. 

-X

I thought Japanese game makers designed the character first? Wouldn't fleshing out the characters as much as they could be what they would be aiming at in a game where you take control of one character through a gigantic adventure? Iga is weird.

[X]

I find what happens to me when I start spriting a character is that while I work, the story start to write itself down in my head. This is the case for all my sprite characters. But i could never see myself doing it IGA's way. Though i think I've tried it once but never got anywhere.

-X

[Jorge D. Fuentes]

I don't remember the Time Reaper (which is a laughable excuse for a character) saying anything about Galamoth being from the future, only that he was sent by him.

As for 1999, petty much anything goes with that plot point since it hasn't been written AFAIK.

Actually here's some text to confirm:

Death & Aeon:
Death: Everything should be in place.
Aeon: It most certainly is. All thanks to your efforts.
Death: Now, what fiend would dare challenge my Lord Dracula?
Aeon: A messenger from ten thousand years in the future. Sent by one seeking your lord's throne of darkness.
Death: Then he must be stopped at once.
Aeon: Which leads to our final dilemma... The door will allow only a single being to enter.
Death: I see no dilemma. I will go -- through you, if need be...
Aeon: That is my desire.
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Dracula & Aeon:
Dracula: I've played your silly little game long enough. Time is secure now, is it not?
Aeon: Not quite. One last foe remains. A servant of he who hunts you from ten thousand years in the future.
Dracula: I fear no one requiring such absurd means to face me.
Aeon: With the final key the time barrier can be opened. Your final opponent awaits.
Dracula: Enough of your theatrics. Take me to him.
Aeon: Which leads to our final dilemma... The door will allow only a single being to enter.
Dracula: No matter. I will crush you and be on my way.
Aeon: You will not pass so easily.
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There ya go.

As for some insight on Aeon himself, here's his introduction:

As a guardian of time, Aeon journeyed through the ages.
One day, suddenly and without warning, a powerful entity appeared from 10,000 years in the future, determined to destroy the very fabric of time.
Aeon enlisted the power of thirteen mighty souls, setting each on a path that would lead to this great enemy.
With only a single chance at victory, Aeon must determine the most worthy champion for the battle ahead...
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And here's his ending:
Thus the rift in time was mended, and all were returned to their respective eras.
Of course, Aeon had no era of his own to return to.
Even now, he wanders time eternal, observing all that occurs. It is the only way to satisfy his infinite curiosity.
Whenever the fabric of time is disturbed, he -- or rather, someone he enlists -- will arrive to repair it.
And Aeon's role will remain forever shrouded in mystery...
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[Inccubus]

A messenger from ten thousand years in the future. Sent by one seeking your lord's throne of darkness.

This only states that the Time Reaper is from the future. It doesn't say that Galamoth is from there.

A servant of he who hunts you from ten thousand years in the future.

Again it doesn't say anything to Galamoth's origin, just when the attack is coming from.

One day, suddenly and without warning, a powerful entity appeared from 10,000 years in the future, determined to destroy the very fabric of time.

This seems to refer to the Time Reaper, not Galamoth. After all the entity you fight at the end is the former not the later.

The whole thing is too vague to say anything concrete about Galamoth. The only reason we even know that Galamoth is involved is because of 1 mention of his name at the end. What if the Time reaper had just said 'master' and not mentioned anyone by name at all?
I don't mean to nit pick, but when nothing is concrete it just isn't.

[Danial]

I always found Galamoth an interesting character.  We know so little about him, and even the few things we learn leads to more questions.  He obviously wants to be the Dark Lord, but he always seems to try and gain that title through subversive means.  This makes me think that Dracula is truly more powerful.  And as mentioned already, Dracula's power of dominance would work on him.

The Time Reaper is an interesting touch.  Obviously he's Galamoth's version of the Grim Reaper, which makes me wonder if Galamoth has some sort of Dark Lord thing going on in the future.

btw, does anyone have a screencap or picture of that Galamoth statue in Judgment?  I've never found a decent pic of that.

[Ahasverus]

I wonder if LOS will be an origin story, it was a CV I remake after all, so the old saga is not completely erased in there, perhaps we'll get a remagining of the old series?

[X]

Having a re imagining of the series would be better for IGA cause then he could do what he wants with it rather then messing up the current series even more. Kinda like with Startrek. Since Rick Berman took over after Gene Roddenberry died, the series' continuity has become so grossly deformed that nothing makes sense now. Berman's team obviously does not watch the series enough to navigate through it's history properly. That's what makes J.J. Abrams' re imagining so attractive cause it's a fresh start. but with familiar feel and characters.

-X