Topic: LoS: Why do some fans hate it?

[Sumac]

So, i didn't underestand what the plot was all about!!!

LOL.
And how exactly it influences the fact that CV had kind of generic plots?
You know, the fact that you couldn't understand it, doesn't change that those games had some story.
When I was little and didn't know what some games are about, I just created my own stories for them. But it didn't influenced my opinion about true stories, when I learn them. So, your argument is kind of...inappropriate, to say the least.

SOTN, was a big step forward, but still it was having all the classic elements from previous games!!!

Like what?
Separate levels? Difficulty? Linearity?
The only thing that went into SOTN unchanged were subweapons. Practically all other ye'old elements were wiped out, to make place for the new formula.

I'm not the one who is still child, but you that you need to grow up, since they are giving you clones from other series and you are accepting it as something revolutionary. If it was something original, i would accept it, but it isn't!!!!

I don't think that LOS is revolutionary. I consider it's as a good game that deserved to be called "Castlevania".
And talking about originality: "Metroidvania formula" wasn't that original either. And what in the world does this mean: "I'm not the one who is still child, but you that you need to grow up"? If anything I am not a child. Though I am not so sure about you, considering amount of exclamtion marks everywhere.

As for scenarios, they weren't, the best, but i never was fan of the scenarios on Castlevania games, i prefer game play and music, over scenarios and graphics!!!!

Then why so much anger about LOS's story, if you, according to your own words, doesn't care about CV stories in the least?
Quite controversial I'd say.

Also Richter might be as an optional character, but it's still there and playable!!!

Yeah, like halfassed addition, which is not very suitable to the game system he was put in. And its still have nothing to do with stylistic choices and gameplay.

The only rip-off they had metroidvanias, was the rpg system and exploration style, with the exception of PoR and DoS. Each other game was having its own game play system and that alone, was enough for me to win me!!!

Yeah, sure. COTM, HOD, AOS and OOE were completely standalone and original games with nothing borrowed from the SOTN and its ilk. I don't even know should I put "sarcasm tag" over here or not.

I will say it once more, be original if you want to win me or else, there is nothing to talk about........you can't call rip-offs innovative ideas!!!

The why do you like "metroidvanias" and SOTN?

My last words? Castlevania 64 and LoD, they will be the only true Castlevania 3D!!!

And LOI isn't?
What kind of goblins are there that permit you call it "a true Castlevania 3D"?

P.S.
Please, quit with amount of exclamation marks. Their quantity is  disturbing. Its like you drank to much coffee or something...

Yeah, actually, it was. Mathias pulls the strings in Lament; he's the mastermind behind the events since after his serving with Leon under God, the sudden death of his wife was an unforgivable betrayal.

Gabriel chose his own destiny. Machias merely went completely insane. While his quest was understandable somewhat, in the end it is only Machias who looks like a pathetic madman. Powerfull madman, but pathetic neverthless. Besides his appearance in LOI was half-assed beyond believe.

[uzo]

Regarding the goblins;

The thing I don't like most about the goblins is not just their LotR rip off look, but that they're supposed preexisting in the world.

In the Castlevania series thus far, the enemies you encounter are brought forth by Dracula's doing for the most part. There aren't mermen running around everywhere normally. The whole goblin thing was already presupposing the world was just like LotR, instead of being a demonic invasion by other worldly forces. Castlevania was never like that, and it just throws the whole mood off even more.

[crisis]

you didnt think the necromantic wars backstory was cool uzo

[Ahasverus]

you didnt think the necromantic wars backstory was cool uzo

Yep, the necromantic wars are to blame for everything not explained. They better remain unresolved so the justificcations are not worse than its sole existince (Read: Star Wars prequels). A nice move so there are not many big plot-holes.

[uzo]

you didnt think the necromantic wars backstory was cool uzo

No, not really. They never ended up doing anything with it anyway; Lost to the void along with a few other plot points.

[Kingshango]

After all the shit Gabriel went though, I'd be pretty pissed at God to so don't blame him for becoming Dracula.

I do howerver think his transformation scene should have been handled better especially an importaint event like that.

[Neobelmont]

Guys, it's been two years. Get over it.

Just to make things funnier.. how would YOU make a Castlevania game in 3D? And how would it differ to LoS? (If you cite aesthetic reasons, I'll murder you, all of you)

First off no demons soul forget it.

Next I would follow mario 3d land and take a good look at how it is able to bring that 2d gameplay into 3d like this just watch this and tell me this should not happen tell me this is my favorite 3d mario game because of this. castlevania should have no proble doing this and while I love lords the lack of those classic gaming elements can be a turn off that is one of my problems with lords.This is what I would do and konami should really study this game.


Super Mario 3D Land - comparison with the NES

[crisis]

i was meant to post this at the ends of this juncture

[K.G. Morder]

That's pretty funny.

That's exactly how Dracula operates in every game.

Except the game was deliberately made so as to create an origin for both the Belmont clan, Dracula, and their feud. So it tells us a bit about Leon, and a bit about his friend. but, we never actually see the friend, whereas we play as Leon the whole game. Leon gets characterization. Mathias is just sort of forgotten until it's time for him to become Dracula. Even though we all know he will become Dracula because the story is right out of the Brahm Stoker's Dracula movie.

If they wanted us to feel any sort of emotion upon his big OOH WHAT A TWEEEST they should have done more with him in the story. SHOW him at his sickbed. SHOW him buddy buddies with Leon before the events of the game start. SOMETHING. SHOW his struggle with his faith.

since after his serving with Leon under God, the sudden death of his wife was an unforgivable betrayal.

Again, they nevr show us his thoughts. We are led to believe that as soon as that happened, he said "WELP, MY WIFE IS DEAD. FUCK YOU GOD, IMMA GO SCREW OVER MY BFF AND KILL HIS WIFE SO I CAN GET REVENGE ON YOU BY NOT DYING."

His entrance is just so halfassed. he just steps in, monologues, then leaves. You dont even FIGHT him.

I dont give a shit about his feelings or about how he felt God betrayed him by letting his wife die, because we dont KNOW him. At ALL prior to that point. Leon we know. Sarah we get to know a little bit. Him? nothing.

[Dark Nemesis]

If i wanted to see a hollywood budget movie, i would go to cinema and i would not play a game!!! That's why, i never played MGS!!!

   To Sumac: If only subweapons are the only thing you see on SOTN connected to the old series, then you are blind or you didn't play it at all!!! Like i said before, i never cared about scenarios, i only mentioned the scenario of LoS, because it is not something, we haven't seen in another game or movie...

  I really hate LoS rip-off game play and the scenario, didn't help at all!!!

If you had played SOTN, then you should have known that the game's story, is based on Richter and when he becomes available to play with him, the game is giving you the chance to play the game from his perspective.

  <<Yeah, sure. COTM, HOD, AOS and OOE were completely standalone and original games with nothing borrowed from the SOTN and its ilk. I don't even know should I put "sarcasm tag" over here or not.>>

Except from the RPG elements and exploration style, did they had the same game play style? Now you are making me really wonder if you have played any other game, except LoS.................


<<The why do you like "metroidvanias" and SOTN?>>

  If you have read what i have said, then you you wouldn't make that stupid question. I've said i like the same both Classic and Metroivanias and in comparison to LoS, they might used the same formula, but each one is having its own game play style that it's not a rip-off from other series games!!!

<<What kind of goblins are there that permit you call it "a true Castlevania 3D"?>>

  It's game play is true to the original first Castlevania game play, more interesting platforming than LoS, old music tunes rearranged, classic enemies bring to 3D and simple story, not a hollywood sci-fi story!!!

P.S.
No, i haven't drunk to much coffe, but i can't say the same for you............i would write, like how i like and feel and if you don't like it, you can always stop reading what i'm writing or make your beefs to a moderator!!!

[Charlotte-nyo:3]

>Complain that game is God of War clone
>Say it should be more like Demon's Souls

Never change CVD. Never change.

Maybe they like Demon's Souls more than God of War =3

Good ol Japanese humor. Having them side by side rather emphasizes the huge contrast between NewDrac and SemiOldDrac for me--it's sad they designed GabeDrac look like the 11th century version of a hobo. They should've gone at least a little more grandiose.

[A-Yty]

Gabricula looks like a crazy drunken hermit caveman.

[whitedragon_nall]

Since the topic of "How would you make Castlevania in 3D" has come up.....

Here's a video of Ys 3 and its remake, Ys: Oath in Felghana. Ys 3 has quite a bit in common with old-school 'vania and Falcom successfully brought that into 3D with OiF. Now i'm not saying a 3d 'vania should be a clone of OiF, but it's a great place to draw inspiration from.

I chose the clock tower from the game for obvious reasons.

Ys 3 Playthrough - The Clock Tower

Ys: The Oath in Felghana (Clock Tower)

[Kingshango]

Well that's Gabeula in his weakest state after not feeding and hiding for what seems to be a few centuries so of course he's gonna look decrepit, while that Dracula look's like he jumped out of a casket (and he did) so he's granted to look fresh to death.

Also, Gabula's design seems to contrast what type of Dracula he is. While the old Dracula is mostly a stratigic pacifist that doesn't like to get his hands dirty, Gabula seems to be more of a hands on war lord type of Dracula (think Kain from Legacy of Kain/Blood Omen).

I dunno I might be wrong and you may disagree but a Dracula that does more than just sit on his throne sounds good to me (keep in mind that im talking about Gabula in his prime here not the weak version we saw in the epilouge).

[K.G. Morder]

If i wanted to see a hollywood budget movie, i would go to cinema and i would not play a game!!!

And if I wanted to watch a B grade monster movie Id go to netflix, not play an NES game. Your point is invalid since the classicvanias do the movie thing too, just differently.

If you had played SOTN, then you should have known that the game's story, is based on Richter and when he becomes available to play with him, the game is giving you the chance to play the game from his perspective.

No, it isnt. Its just an unlockable character with no story.

Except from the RPG elements and exploration style, did they had the same game play style?

They had very slight variations on the same gameplay style, which is, grind levels and find different weapons to use. (Except CotM that is, which uses a whip) they are all metroidvanias, and the ameplay differences are aside from the main way of fighting.

  It's game play is true to the original first Castlevania game play,

The original castlevania wasnt 3D with odd whipping controls and skeleton motorcycles.

more interesting platforming than LoS,

Ill admit to this.

old music tunes rearranged,

"rearanged tunes" a castlevania game does not make. SC4, SoTN and AoS, as well as a few others, used very few rearanged tunes, I dont see you complaining about them. 

classic enemies bring to 3D

Bats, gremlins, Wargs, trolls, skeletons, ghouls, mandrakes along with many others are classic enemies, but re-invisioned. Not to mention the Lords of Shadow themselves are re-invisioned classic characters, which stay true to their original counterparts. (well, Zobek in name doesnt resemble anyone, but clearly he is supposed to be Death) And LoS finally brought us in stage vampires, the first game to do so since CV64.

and simple story

so I asume you dont like SotN, AoS, LoI, OoE, or most of the metroidvanias do you? they have far from simple stories.

Maybe they like Demon's Souls more than God of War =3

Maybe, but they shouldnt complain about it "ripping off" this or that game, and then saying it should be more like another game. That's just double standard.